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02 July 2009

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John B.

This was interesting: You said, "This is what I like so much about science - the data drives you, you don't drive it (or at least you shouldn't)." I know what you mean here--that you're not massaging data--but individual pieces of data just sit in isolation from each other until the researcher comes along and wonders if they might be related in some way. That's not a bad thing--science wouldn't get done without it. But the scientist is still making choices about what s/he will then sit back and objectively observe and measure. Hence the occasional accusation leveled at scientists that they are prejudiced against data that seem to argue against such received wisdom as natural selection and a warming planet.

It can get tricky sometimes, can't it, doing the best you can to make sure you're not including/excluding data because of your predispositions.

Oh--and the dream was funny. Weird that you're dreaming something like that on his behalf . . . or maybe it's just too early for him to be dreaming it yet. Come the end of this month, though . . .

Janet

Bizarre dream! Also interesting that you remembered so much detail. I may have detail when I first wake, but 10 minutes later, the 'feeling' about the dream is still there, but the flow and images are fleeting.

Pam

Yes - it is hard. But sometimes we talk it to death, try to look at the data as if it is a 360 degree piece of information. My lab is very good at doing the 'devil's advocate' stuff - so we propose something, then spend time trying to defeat our own proposition. But then data can only say but so much - in the case of climate data, there's an issue of scale that can create conflicts - and yes, folks can strongly believe in one side or the other, and skew their evaluation of the data in that direction. I think the key with climate data is once again not one person's evaluation of it, but the scientific community at large's view of it. It is that consensus that is key. That is probably true of all science really.

Janet, I had woken up, taken the dogs out, then come back in and crawled back into bed. Sometimes when I do that, it is then that I have dreams that I remember vividly. Otherwise, I generally don't.

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