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30 June 2008

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John B.

Hmm. I fully understand your unease about this, but I'll just say--from my own self-interested perspective, of course--that if this request-to-see-research business pops up in the humanities, a whole bunch of folks will be very nervous. But then again, it's not as though we're petitioning the government for research dollars, either, so maybe They'll leave alone people like me--at least for a while.

I'd also add that the sort of game described in this exchange is one that two can play: I dare say that ID folks would be just as reluctant to play, too.

Kinda related to this: there's an outfit out there akin to ratemyprofessor.com that's requesting that public schools (perhaps private ones as well) make available to them the grade distributions of professors' classes to be posted on their website. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't see how this could be, but apparently the argument this company is using to get schools to supply this info is that this information is or can be construed as a matter of public record every bit as much as a school's income, expenditures, salaries, etc.

I suspect my take on all this movement toward quantifying and accountability in academe that I keep hearing/reading about is in part anecdotal; maybe it's been part of academe for a long time, and I just happen to be in a place where it gets talked about a lot. But maybe not. If the latter, though, I hope colleges are thinking through the arguments for why some of this stuff will be bad for higher education.

3D

My view is that the aim is not accountability but intimidation.

I wrote it up this morning:

http://www.3dsoundblog.com/

Pam

John, thanks for your comment. All of this - even what you also mention, regarding making grade distributions public - makes me uneasy. Maybe this has been going on all along, but I do sense some kind of resurgence.

As for me - our publications contain our data, and a new trend is including 'Supplemental Data' with the publication, that is generally put online but not in the paper copy of an article. I'm not sure how I would respond if someone wanted to see our excel spreadsheets, or gels, or my laboratory members notebooks - it is just a slippery slope of accessibility that just seems...insidious. And I can't help but think that attacks on evolution science is just done to discredit the science (and alot of good science) in the public arena.

Pam

3D, I was hoping that you would post something.

This really is chilling - and you're right, it is about intimidation.

Agricola

Sounds like typical legal blustering from another attorney (Schafly) and thus should be treated as balderdash. He seeks to intimidate, but cannot as long as the other person refuses to cower. Lenski is on the right track. It will be interesting to follow the 'conservapedia' article on this.....

Pam

Ad, nice to hear from you. Balderdash, yes - but a good scientists reputation is being harmed. I agree that it will be interesting to follow. For Lenski's sake, I hope this just dies down quickly.

Ames

Thanks for linking to my treatment of Lenski :-) !!

And, I have to disagree with Pam. I think the more this stays in the headlines, the better Lenski looks. Andy's making a complete ass of himself, and proving once and for all, as if we needed the proof, that he doesn't *get* science. It's lovely :-)

Pam

Ames, you are quite welcomed. I guess I look at this two different ways. First, keeping it in the news could be a big headache for Lenski (I mean, doesn't he have other things to focus on...like science?) and then what you mentioned, that the longer it stays in the press, the more of an ass Andy makes of himself (and I'm all for that).

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